Together with Lex Bohlmeijer (Radio 4 / De Correspondent) Nynke interviews twelve scientists, philosophers and performing artists who inspire her. 

Marleen Stikker takes Nynke and Lex to 'The Land of Us' in Lettele near Deventer. She sees this citizens' initiative as a wonderful movement towards (once again) more joint control over the land. Meanwhile they talk about power, the importance of knowledge and the similarities between landscape and technology.

About Marleen Stikker

We will all have to roll up our sleeves if we want a humane digital future. That's the argument of Marleen Stikker, internet pioneer, co-founder of the Fairphone and director of Waag. Nynke saw her on Zomergasten in 2018 and wants to question her about the juncture we are in. We know that the old system is unsustainable, but we don't yet see the new story in front of us. How do we deal with that limbo?