With art historian and writer Eva Rovers, Lex Bohlmeijer (Radio 4/De Correspondent) and I roamed the Veluwe National Park, discussing activism as a way of life, the introduction of civilian councils in a deliberative democracy, and the sadness she feels about the ecological decline   we humans are causing. “And yet, paradoxically, I still place my hope in people,” she states. About Cassandra she says: ‘I knew the mythical figure, but strangely enough I never connected the story with our current predicament. When I heard the song, I thought: all of climate science is a Cassandra… And our affluence is our Trojan horse.”